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15kw enough for E20.
hello, i am buying a rig and it comes with a GENERAC 15kw gas generator and was wondering if this will suffice for the E-20 i will be spraying with?? before anyone says don't get a gas, i cannot afford a diesel right now unless someone knows a very good deal. thank you. Foam-ProPosted: Feb 04, 03:44 PM
Yes it will. You need 50amps at 240 (50x240=). But you won't have much left to run anything else and will be stuck with a gas compressor as well.Posted: Feb 04, 03:50 PM
it all depends on what it is i guess. at least big enough torun a bigger machine if i want to upgrade in future. somewhere around $6,000 to $ i guess. what do you mean when you say i'll be stuck with a gas compressor? Raymond BrooksPosted: Feb 04, 04:30 PM
We can get you a 21kw diesel, w/Isuzu 4 cyl, 20 gal tank to you door for about $. The problem with going with the 15kw gas is that any electic motor needs consistent power levels. If your primaries and hose and pump call for power at the same time, there could be a shortage or lag in power supply. When that happens, an electric motor will start to heat up, causing premature breakdown over time. I consider a diesel generator an investment, a gas powered is a cost. I have 21kw 3ph diesel running a GlasCraft MHII and Kaeser screw compressor, with still enough left over to power a fresh air compressor and anything else I need.Posted: Feb 04, 04:33 PM
I am one of those that do not like the gas units. I almost bought one myself and was talked out of it by guys with the experience. I am glad I didn't go that route for many reasons.Posted: Feb 04, 04:38 PM
what spray machine do you use? i'm thinking i should maybe upgrade to e-30. my trailer is going to be a 10,500lb 20 ft tag along, will that trailer hold a diesel? what does your gen weight and what kind of compressor do you have? thank youPosted: Feb 04, 04:51 PM
I have an E-20. An E-30 would be a smart upgrade if you have the money (having regrets myself here) Fullsize generator weights - pounds. I have a 34' gooseneck and even with 4 sets I am under 12K pounds total. So I would think you would be ok with your trailer. I would do it once and do it right rather than have to do it over again and lose money and time. I have 2 jobs that I cannot reach with 210' of hose and that is the max that I can use with my E-20 (not sure what the limiting factor is) I would go with the E-30 or the Glas-Craft Guardian A5. I also wish I had bigger heaters and the E-20 has watts, you get get bigger on the Guardian or E-30.Posted: Feb 04, 05:13 PM
does anyone know what size diesel gen set would be needed for an e-30?Posted: Feb 04, 05:15 PM
It needs 78 amps at 240 volts with the 10,000 watta heaters. (78x240=18,720watts)100 amps with the 15K watt heaters. If you go three phase then it is different and I am not sure the math to figure it out.Posted: Feb 04, 05:21 PM
I have a 30 kw works great. I only got a 7.5 hp compressor I'm restricted and it's on the edge. Don't do that to your self. I couldn't imagin going to the job and finding power the right breakers ect. You will have enough problems with out the self inflicted ones.Posted: Feb 04, 05:31 PM
ultrawideone, what spray machine do you have. fuel compressor or electric? Lane HogstadPosted: Feb 04, 06:13 PM
E-20 7.5 electric. If I had it to do again I'd get a E-30 with a screw compressor. Call anytime 605-880-Posted: Feb 04, 06:26 PM
my set up will be so far, E-20, 15kw gen, 11hp comp. seriously rethinking my setup though. i think i would have to upgrade trailers then also and that would be to much $.Posted: Feb 04, 06:40 PM
Buy a used trailer if you have to sacrifice. Get the best equipment you can, then just upgrade trailers. Trailers are easy to sell the market us huge, there is a very small market for used foam equipment.Posted: Feb 04, 08:21 PM
I would choose a glascraft guardian over an E-20 any day. Better hose heat and longer hose length for the same money. Yes, you need one size up compressor, but you can never have enough clean, dry air anyway. Tim, you have a couple of jobs that need more than 200' of hose? What are we going to do? Don't worry, we will make it happen. Concentrate on getting the jobs.Posted: Feb 04, 09:21 PM
Not sure what you budget is but check this link http://www.generatorsales.com. They have a cummins diesel 40 kw 3 phase for a round $8k. Timothy SonneyPosted: Feb 05, 12:06 AM
Better question would be, How many times have you shown up to a job site and didn't have ample power available to you to run your rig?Posted: Feb 06, 03:06 PM
I second that. Why pay for a generator when you can connect to their power. I have done this for 3 years and have had to rent a generator for 2 days. When you look at the initial cost, the price of running a generator on a job, and the extra cost of driving around with the extra weight and a bigger trailer, the real question is why would you want one. Keep the money and invest in better spray equipment, an E 20 is too small. I have 200 feet of welding lead that I stuff into 15 gallon barrels that are welded onto the side of my trailer. They never tangle and it only takes a few moments to hook up to power. I also have an addition 200 feet of number 2 aluminum that I hook up to that with cable clamps if I have to. Besides, the power is a lot cleaner. Glenn GamblinPosted: Feb 06, 03:06 PM
I second that. Why pay for a generator when you can connect to their power. I have done this for 3 years and have had to rent a generator for 2 days. When you look at the initial cost, the price of running a generator on a job, and the extra cost of driving around with the extra weight and a bigger trailer, the real question is why would you want one. Keep the money and invest in better spray equipment, an E 20 is too small. I have 200 feet of welding lead that I stuff into 15 gallon barrels that are welded onto the side of my trailer. They never tangle and it only takes a few moments to hook up to power. I also have an addition 200 feet of number 2 aluminum that I hook up to that with cable clamps if I have to. Besides, the power is a lot cleaner.Posted: Feb 06, 03:43 PM
Three of the last jobs that I looked at for bids would not work for shore power. The first just had a temp hookup that would not have allowed access to the panel. The second place had a fuse panel and the third place only had a 60amp service. I have a generator so it doesn't matter to me, but I guess the old tech is still out there. Granted most work is new construction so you should be ok, but I just don't like the idea of shore power, and I am comfortable with electricity. Why risk it?Posted: Feb 06, 07:50 PM
Generator(s) for me. Easier and more professional.Posted: Feb 06, 08:28 PM
Glen,Posted: Feb 08, 08:40 PM
I'm with Olger. I'm genset all the way and 3 phase at that. Most gensets over 20kw that you find at a rental store (in case of a shutdown) are 3 phase. 3 phase is easier on equipment.Posted: Feb 08, 09:07 PM
Newby,Posted: Feb 11, 12:14 PM
I am also looking for the right setup. Shore power sounds like a cost effective solution. But, What if??? It seems like you could be opening yourself/business up to a liability issue. An employee screw up while in the service panel could ruin your life/business and possible his (I'm sure they would find the business owner negligent=LAWSUIT). What will your insurance company say when they find out your hooking up to the service panel? Large guage/high amperage extension cord running across a wet construction site. Etc....That's just my opinion. I am waiting for my H25, and I'm leaning towards a 30kw gen. I will be set up similiar to CPI's Pro 18. Look at a lot of rigs before you settle on one. In my opinion be self contained. Gerry WagonerPosted: Feb 11, 04:22 PM
Three phase is indeed the way to go. As to the single phase power, purchase a 230/120-volt 3-ph unit and you can pull 230 single off into another panel for lights welder plug etc..Posted: Feb 11, 08:28 PM
I think what Olger just said. I'm not much of an electrical guru but I do have a guru electrician on the payroll. I just know we have a 3 phase box and a line dropping into a single phase box. We have plenty of single phase 110 outlets and lights in the rig. He's supposed to have rigged to allow for the single phase items to be plugged into shore power while genset isn't running. That project is somewhat on hold but hope to have it running in the spring.Posted: Feb 11, 09:01 PM
You know, you can find ANYTHING you want about residential wiring on the internet. I can't find a thing about how to wire 3 phase and how exactly it works. If it is so popular in commercial applications why can't I find answers to my questions? Maybe it is one of those "if you have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it". Regardless, I want to know!Posted: Feb 13, 07:08 AM
3ph 40kw diesel for my rig,,,Posted: Feb 13, 07:08 AM
3ph 40kw diesel for my rig,,,Posted: Feb 13, 07:24 AM
well said foamdude! i am with ya. philip mullinsPosted: Feb 14, 03:24 AM
ok. just a newbie here. i want to run my idea by you guys. i already have a 16' trailer that the salesman told me wont be big enough. and i read a post here about the logistics of moving barrels. i bought a rooftop ac unit off of ebay for $150 bucks. it works fine. gonna rig my trailer for shore power. will be nice if i can find power at the site. bought a 16' box truck that will hold a genset (in an insulated box with an exterior door)and the air compressor. i also will be able to back up to the loading dock and load a few barrels of product. and i dont see any reason that i cant pump product from the truck to the trailer and do away with the whole heavy barrell prob all together. and my truck is diesel powered, so i can feed the gen off the truck tank.and it has a ramp. so i am hoping i can move the whole setup indoors if i run out of hose. i will prob go with the guardian for that reason. so, please, shoot my theory full of holes before i spend too much money! tx SprayFoamSupply.comPosted: Feb 14, 06:28 AM
I don't like the idea of pumping chemicals out of the box truck into the trailer. That means that you will have to disconnect and connect fluid lines every time you move the trailer? You are asking for trouble with the ISO. Why not just set everything up in the box truck and be done?Posted: Feb 15, 06:11 PM
I thought about that too George. ISO is great stuff when it is contained in a closed, airtight system.Posted: Feb 11, 03:56 PM
I have been looking at going into the spray foam buisness for about a year and have final decided to go for it. I am working on getting equipment quotes from suppliers and some suggest the H-25 over the E-20. I am curious about the use of shore power vs generator just for my first season. Any idea's john riouxPosted: Feb 11, 06:36 PM
I am running the 15kw generac, e-20, 16' trailer setup, with a 11hp gas compressor. The generator is at it's limit. I can power a few lights and not much more. I use shore power when available. The generator heats the trailer great in the winter, but it is a pain in the summer, especially when spraying closed cell. It is a good entry level setup, but the e-20 can take up to 2 hours to heat a full set in the dead of winter. You can set up a rig like this fairly cheap, but it costs more in the long run. I can only carry 2 sets, $45.00+ a day in gas. $800.00 repair on a $.00 generator, would not do it again. I will be switching to a diesel truck and generator and trading up on the reactor soon. Tim O'KeefePosted: Feb 11, 07:45 PM
I own an E-20 so I can speak from experience. Don't buy one! They are great to start because they are cheap and for the beginning contractor they fit the bill nicely. About 6 months to a year in to the business if you are busy you will outgrow the machine. If you have one, don't ever try a hydraulic machine or you will regret ever buying the E-20. I have run mine from day one on a diesel generator and would not consider shore power for a second, too much liability.Posted: Feb 11, 08:08 PM
I have 2" closed cell on my trailer, band heaters, small electric heater for overnight, but most of our jobs are 2+ sets, so we are either picking up a set thats been delivered cold or driving 50 miles to our suppliers warehouse, loading in the back of a pickup and offloading on site. I can't afford to keep extra sets in stock. I spray mostly 500 and Agribalance, but also Heatlok and Insulstar.Posted: Feb 12, 12:54 AM
I was planning on using my 28' enclosed trailer for the H-25 the first job if i get the equipment will be 5 set. i don't have a supplier 50 miles away. my nearest supplier is 300 miles away and will require a day trip or shipped by truck. I started looking at adding this service to my construction buisness to increase my services and personally i plan on build two mor large homes. i figured what i would pay to have my two houses sprayed would alone pay for the base equipment(not counting trailer,generator and i already have a big compressor). clint moorePosted: Feb 12, 10:07 AM
You need to call John Linn @ Intech Equipment,He built a trailer rig w/e-30,diesel generator,and optional shore power so you don't have to use generator if you have access to power.602-257- Gerry WagonerPosted: Feb 12, 03:24 PM
I have a 24kw diesel generator (brand new) that I will sell for $. It has a sound shroud around it and sits on a 65-gallon tank platform. Pics avaliable.Posted: Feb 12, 06:42 PM
contact me with specs on unit. thinking about upgrading to e30 and diesel power. lol i was thread starter one year ago. ,You are logged in as a guest. ( logon
Tell me about PTO generators
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Seen a few other posts on the site, but have a few questions. Thinking about running one with a CaseIH DX34 tractor (34hp) Don't need to run the entire house just the furnace blower, freezer, and a few lights and sub pump. Can you get them in the small KW's like 4-7KW? How can youtell if you are running at the right speed (Is the tach on the tractor enough to control?) Was thinking about a stand-by Natural gas unit but not in the $$$$ plan just yetPosted 1/7/ 16:46 (# - in reply to #)
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25 kw one we ran had a volt meter built into it. Just rev up pto until the needle was in the green on the meter. BBfarmsPosted 1/7/ 17:04 (# - in reply to #)
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I would think you could handle 15 to 20 kw unit. They should be fairly cheap one farm sales, and they would power your whole house. Virginia Veg.Posted 1/7/ 17:30 (# - in reply to #)
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I have a GenPower. They are made here in Virginia. I really like the unit. I think you should be able to run at least a 12 or 15 KW. Here is a link to the company where I got mine. I don't know what prices will be, mine is 10 years old. They are simple, they have a volt meter and a hertz meter. The guy told me don't worry about the volts, just try to get the hertz to 60 while the generator is loaded.(trueredpower1.jpg)
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I was told by a dealer of gensets, that getting the cycles set right is more important than the volts. Compressor motors, such as a refrigerator, need the proper cycles. You can do this with a meter or a electric clock. Compare a electric clock to your wrist watch and get them to match.Posted 1/7/ 17:58 (# - in reply to #)
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The generator will pull in direct proportion to the electrical load. About 2 hp per watts. So if your load is watts it will take 8 hp and probably use 3/4 gallon per hour. If the load is watts it would take about 30 hp and use maybe 2 gallons per hour. It really doesn't matter what size the generator is, if it's a 15kw unit pulling a 10kw load the horsepower used is the same as a 50kw unit pulling a 10kw load. MarvPosted 1/7/ 19:39 (# - in reply to #)
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I've been doing that for 10 years and now you're telling me it won't work! Guess I better get busy and change it all around. Ron..NE ILL..10/48Posted 1/7/ 19:41 (# - in reply to #)
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Marv
We all learn something about our own lives on here every day. What you thought "was", isn't.
You might notice some posters often emphasize the here effect. That's what it's about. Works both ways though, keep that in mind.
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Okay, I just tried that and my light bulbs are really dim, plus it burned up all my electric motors. Did I miss something in your post? MarvPosted 1/7/ 19:50 (# - in reply to #)
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You're right, Ron. I should have stated that it only works "here" to use a rpm pto tractor on a 540 pto generator. I think it must have something to do with the wind turbines down the road to the east. Sets up some kind of magnetic field. They also suck the wind past here something fierce now. It blows a lot harder than it used to. davePosted 1/7/ 21:04 (# - in reply to #)
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I have a TC25D that can only use 1.1 GPH at full load. My guess you may run your tractor on maybe .6 GPH at half load. Should be a good tractor to use. I found a 25K pto generator. I figure I can only produce so much electricity and I will not be overloading the generator. DR JPosted 1/7/ 22:14 (# - in reply to #)
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Subject: Works fine "Here" also.
Been running a 540 generator on pto for decades, never had a problem but then again the REC power is rarely off and it is extremely rare that its off for more than a hour.
Maybe the wind turbines 40 miles east of here have a really big magnetic field
We run all sorts of 540 things on pto and never had any problem, just need to use that squishy thing between the ears.
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